Vesyt,odlican odgovor.Sve su to poprilično razumljive stvari svakome tko se iole ozbiljnije bavi(ili bar to nastoji) pokerom.
Ja razumijem da postoji dosta novih igrača koji nisu upoznati s igrom,pot oddsima,implied oddsima itd.,a kamoli s nekim naprednijim potezima,bluffovima,semi-bluffovima,representationima...
Isto tako znam da na levelima na kojima igram postoji jako velik broj loših i netalentiranih igrača(mahom Kinezi,Rumunji,Talijani i Francuzi).

Osvrnut ću se malo na ovaj dio tvog posta:

veyst555 wrote:

Malo si previse negativno nastrojen prema pokerzu.

Jednostavno je riječ o tome da sam upao u downswing i onda sve gledam crno.Znam da ću izaći iz tog razdoblja,samo eto,veliki sam emotivac pa me zna pogoditi kad se nakupi takvih stvari malo više u krećem roku. Bit će sve ok.

Samo glavu gore, nema u pokerzu mjesta za emotivce
(sad i ja pretjerujem prije par mj. je jedan mis stradao na nezamisliv nacin, pogodi zasto, al svatko uci vremenom).

Be the Jedi.

Sretno.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5009705
villain je LAG Talijan,50/24/37,koji je rejzao prethodnih 3-4 puta kad je bio CO ili BTN.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5009700

A taman sam se spremao završiti session.

Trebao sam rejzati preflop.Ali sumnjam da bi konačni ishod bio puno drugačiji: http://www.pokerhand.org/?5011275

Jokerstars FTW!

pa sumanjam bas da nebi bio drugaciji, da si rejzao preflop vjerojatno bi pokupo blindove, jako je mala sansa da bi te K 2 platio rejz preflop...

svi vide na pokerstarsima bad beatove, koji su puno cesci nego na ostlaim stranicama, cesto cujem da prije nego dodju na starse da su vec culi da se moraju naviknut na puno vise bad beatova i naravno da ih puno lakse pamte... ako imas u trackeru poveci uzorak handova na barem jos jednoj stranici uz starse usporedi malo rezultate, ev graf za preflop all in i siguran sam da ce se rezultati jako malo razlikovat sto taj uzorak bude veci....

Ja sam iskreno uzivao igrajuci na pokerstarsu u svoje vrijeme (pocetkom ove godine kad sam kupio 30" monitor uz 20" pa da mogu malti-tejblat do boli tajlano ) ali nedostatak RBa me ipak ponukao da odem od tamo, a bad beatovi ili jokerstars fore nisu bili niti cesci niti rijedi nego bilo gdje drugdje.

Za mene je recimo vjecno ipoker mreza bila jokerstar. Kad god sam tamo poceo igrati imao sam gadan negativni swing. Drugacije nije niti ovaj puta, ali nakon privikavanja, modificiranja i prilagodbe sada mi je kao i svaki drugi site na kojem sam igrao unatoc tome sto sam i dalje u debelom minusu za sada.

Zaboravih napomenuti da je riječ o 0.10$,360 player SNG-u,3. ili 4. hand.Da sam rejzao,sumnjam da bih pokupio blindove,vjerovatnija opcija je family pot ili nečiji shove.
E da,na sljedećem takvom SNG-u sam skrekao AA sa AJ suited.
Izbjegavam Starse u širokom luku,igram na njima što manje mogu.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5014789

Oddovi,multiway pot,blabla.

Isti stol,sljedeći hand:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5014798

25K ruku na starsima ovaj mjesec, parovi su flopali set samo 7% puta. Toliko o 1/7 sansi.....

Kako kome valjda

da, u pravu si, sada je 28 % connectanje sa flopom.
flopanje setova hem ima ugraden stat pa je on ok,
inace sansa iznosi 12.25%

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5017325

Ne znam,nisam pametan.
Moram priznati da je frajer jako dobro odigrao(izuzev preflop calla,al nećemo sad o tome) s tim da je betao u mene,a ja,kako sam agresivan,išao sam rejzati za protection.
Možda sam malo pretjerao ,ali frajer(statsi 62/4/41) je uredno išao do showdownova s drugim parom,ponekad i trećim.
Možda sam trebao napraviti manji raise radi pot controla?



EDIT: osveta,draga osveta.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5017417

Evo što se dogodi kada uzmeš preveliki zalogaj:

subota



danas,tj. maloprije




Klasika,kad ide dobro,sve je super,imam odlične readove,foldam kad treba,guram kad treba.
Kad ne ide,stackoffam u coinflipovima jer sam na tiltu.Danas konkretno je ovaj hand bio okidač:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5047263

Frajer je bio LAG i bio sam prilično siguran da sam dobar all the way.Nakon toga,zbogom pameti.

Ovakve situacije se i meni često događaju,a pretpostavljam da su česte općenito na manjim limitima..Sa slickom u ruci betam babušku na rainbow A high flopu,turn npr. 6,river 2 i lik mi na kraju pokaže A2o..I iako znam sve o tome kako često nismo dovoljno dobri sa TPTK i ne isplati ih se često forsirat skroz do kraja,u nekim situacijama poput ove tvoje (ovisno i o villainu) znaš da si bolji,isplati se betat,ali jednostavno u četvrtoj ili petoj uličici sreća pomazi villaina i možeš se qebat..Zato nakon takve situacije ako nemožeš ostati ravnodušan (što nije tako jednostavno),najbolje Klik-Leave table na svim otvorenim stolovima i otići radit nešto konstruktivno tipa spavat..

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5098691

rigged obv

Malo FTP rusha,slučajno su sva tri handa KK:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5106258 totalni cooler rigged,obv


http://www.pokerhand.org/?5106270


http://www.pokerhand.org/?5106279

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5125130

Isti stol,8 minuta kasnije,protivnik koji je 63/7/36:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5125134

$0.25/$0.50 Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG marchun ($19.80)
UTG+1 tiagao1984 ($9.02)
MP1 Bmwfreak88 ($14.11)
MP2 Tapac8 ($34.33)
MP3 Lannic ($22.34)
CO orschpudara ($26.84)
BTN noname111999 ($26.40)
SB Hero ($42.64)
BB SISQOSR ($30.87)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is SB
marchun raises to $0.85, tiagao1984 calls $0.85, 2 folds, Lannic calls $0.85, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, marchun raises to $15.45, tiagao1984 goes all-in $8.17, Lannic folds, Hero raises to $26.40, marchun goes all-in $4.35

Flop: ($56.32, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($56.32, 3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($56.32, 3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $56.32
Hero shows

marchun shows

tiagao1984 shows


marchun wins $47.24 (net +$27.44)

Hero collects $6.60 (net -$19.80)
Lannic lost $0.85
tiagao1984 lost $9.02



Isti stol,4 handa kasnije:

$0.25/$0.50 Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Lannic ($21.14)
UTG+1 orschpudara ($28.17)
MP1 noname111999 ($26.40)
MP2 Hero ($25)
MP3 SISQOSR ($30.52)
CO marchun ($47.46)
BTN Bmwfreak88 ($13.01)
SB Tapac8 ($34.08)
BB Tina0591 ($52.88)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is MP2
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Tapac8 calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.95, 2 players)
Tapac8 checks, Hero bets $1.50, Tapac8 raises to $3, Hero raises to $10.86, Tapac8 calls $7.86

Turn: ($23.67, 2 players)
Tapac8 checks, Hero goes all-in $13.29, Tapac8 calls $13.29

River: ($50.25, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.25
Hero shows

Tapac8 shows


Tapac8 wins $47.74 (net +$22.74)

Hero lost $25

http://www.pokerhand.org/?5164904

Fascinantan je range s kojim ljudi callaju raise na PL25.Naprosto fascinantan.



$0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Alarthur ($42.94)
UTG+1 Upfront007 ($18.12)
MP1 martitabelha ($9.75)
MP2 barniboy10 ($24.40)
CO raffi t ($66.89)
BTN mrtulliano ($15.73)
SB th82 ($17.76)
BB Hero ($25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, Upfront007 calls $0.25, 2 folds, raffi t calls $0.25, mrtulliano calls $0.25, th82 calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.50, Upfront007 folds, raffi t folds, mrtulliano calls $1.25, th82 folds

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, mrtulliano checks

Turn: ($3.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2.25, mrtulliano raises to $10.50, Hero raises to $18.75, mrtulliano goes all-in $3.73

River: ($36.73, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $36.73
mrtulliano shows a straight, Eight high

Hero shows three of a kind, Queens


mrtulliano wins $30.60 (net +$14.87)

Hero collects $4.52 (net -$15.73)
raffi t lost $0.25
th82 lost $0.25
Upfront007 lost $0.25


Po kasnije viđenom,hand bi završio jednako i da sam betao flop,ali nebitno.Nakon tog handa više nisam odgovarao za svoje postupke.



Ajmo dalje:

$0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG PimpSquirrel ($14.90)
UTG+1 Upfront007 ($22.50)
MP1 ilemee ($34.23)
MP2 jillybean31 ($25.21)
MP3 Alarthur ($25.42)
CO Hero ($34.26)
BTN Steve Flash ($7.03)
SB mammy1234 ($18.83)
BB Stacy Keebler ($9.65)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 9 players) Hero is CO
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, Steve Flash calls $0.85, mammy1234 calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.80, 3 players)
mammy1234 checks, Hero bets $2, Steve Flash folds, mammy1234 calls $2

Turn: ($6.80, 2 players)
mammy1234 checks, Hero bets $4.75, mammy1234 goes all-in $15.98, Hero calls $11.23

River: ($38.76, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $38.76
Hero shows a pair of Aces

mammy1234 shows a straight, Eight high


mammy1234 wins $36.83 (net +$18.00)

Hero lost $18.83
Steve Flash lost $0.85


Ou jea,šejk it bejbi.


ALI,ni to nije sve!

$0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Dysis09 ($25.32)
UTG+1 3stars3 ($17.50)
MP1 mammy1234 ($50.73)
MP2 luckyInsMan ($25)
CO Stan_25 ($45.60)
BTN cnpoker520 ($13)
SB toneMerlin ($20.14)
BB Hero ($32.09)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is BB
Dysis09 calls $0.25, 3stars3 checks, 1 fold, luckyInsMan calls $0.25, 1 fold, cnpoker520 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.60, Dysis09 calls $1.35, 3stars3 folds, luckyInsMan calls $1.35, cnpoker520 folds

Flop: ($5.15, 3 players)
Hero checks, Dysis09 checks, luckyInsMan checks

Turn: ($5.15, 3 players)
Hero checks, Dysis09 checks, luckyInsMan checks

River: ($5.15, 3 players)
Hero bets $3.25, Dysis09 folds, luckyInsMan raises to $9.75, Hero calls $6.50

Final Pot: $24.65
Hero shows

luckyInsMan shows a straight, Eight high


luckyInsMan wins $23.66 (net +$12.31)

Hero lost $11.35
Dysis09 lost $1.60
cnpoker520 lost $0.25


Potpuno povampiren,ne bacam apsolutno ništa.Čak i kad sam siguran 100% da protivnik ima jači hand,tipa kad sam frajera stavio na AA:


$0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Holdem
FullTiltPoker
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Stan_25 ($25)
UTG+1 mammy1234 ($37.07)
MP1 Dysis09 ($28.50)
MP2 PimpSquirrel ($20.79)
CO Upfront007 ($56.03)
BTN los40 ($27.80)
SB Alarthur ($26.32)
BB Hero ($29.95)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 8 players) Hero is BB
4 folds, Upfront007 raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80, 2 players)
Hero checks, Upfront007 bets $1.56, Hero raises to $4.06, Upfront007 calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.92, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, Upfront007 calls $3.50

River: ($16.92, 2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, Upfront007 calls $3.25

Final Pot: $23.42
Upfront007 shows a pair of Aces

Hero shows


Upfront007 wins $22.25 (net +$10.59)

Hero lost $11.66




Di je onaj smajlić koji si puca u glavu?Aha,evo ga.

Curim na sve strane.Dobivam loše karte,ponekad dobijem i dobre,ali onda naravno bude nekakav setup,ali najgore od svega je da igram jako loše.

Full Tilt graf:


Party poker graf:



Jebem ti sve.

Samo polako, nadoći će. Mora uslijedit i loše razdoblje, samo da ne potraje
Sve se to vrati tamo di je bilo i još se vine u visinu sa samo 2 dobra i plodna dana

P.S. Ja sam u minusu zadnja 2 dana na HUsng par BI samo zato što ni jednu partiju nisam završija a da mi nije pukla konekcija ili me izbacilo sa Tilta zbog nekog drugog razloga pa bi me do kraja pojili blindsi. Oš se minjat?!

E da,kad sam otvarao ovaj topic,nisam baš mislio na to,ali bi li se ovo moglo premjestiti u Dnevnici članova?Nekako mi se čini da bi tamo puno bolje pristajalo.